2008年11月21日 星期五

針對今日蘋果報導之說明

今日蘋果刊出野草莓發言人李立偉表示週日會決定是否退場,李同學原意為週日將會有大型活動,活動結束後會進一步思考策略,而非結束運動之意。造成媒體朋友與關心野草莓的朋友有所誤會,在此野草莓媒體組向大家致歉。
另外,昨日上午靜坐區人數稀少,應為上午司改會於一旁舉辦記者會,大家靠過去圍觀,造成學生靜坐區人數銳減的景象。但每日上午參與靜坐同學確實不是很踴躍,野草莓會自我砥礪。
同時,野草莓也認為,「人數」不是決定運動成敗的關鍵,我們目前持續進行各種專案工作,擴展動員能量。另一方面,野草莓運動不只是學生的運動而已,許多社運團體、教授學者也提供了直接的幫助,除了看得見的「人數」之外,更應該正視這一股無形的公民力量。

25 則留言:

student 提到...

消費了整個社會之後...

也該付帳了吧

人家要打烊了呢!

再坐下也不是辦法呀~~~

請問要付現金,刷卡,還是消費卷??

不要想白吃白喝嘿!

麻煩快點,工作人員還要清理環境哩!!

謝謝!!

M 提到...

一百人是靜坐,一個人也是靜坐;
一百人是公民,一個人也是公民;

李立偉是一個公民,馬英九是一個公民;
同在憲法天平上,一對一沒高低。

這個天平如果不平,
下次選舉,藍營難贏。

Tsunglin 提到...

人數不是重點?重點應該是多少人能夠去認同你們的想法吧!!沒幾隻貓就想要革命?作夢去吧!!

Paul 提到...

沒有多少人..
那該把場地還給大眾了吧..
沒申請佔用了十幾天了..
特權也要有個限度..

michelle 提到...

"When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered." ~Dorothy Thompson

Paul 提到...

How can we recover the Liberty Square? When will it return to the public?

Whenever it returns, it'll never be the same. It's tarnished by the strawberry stain.

~By Paul

michelle 提到...

To: Tsunglin

You said, "沒幾隻貓就想要革命?作夢去吧!!"

You are a little confused. There is difference between revolution and nonviolent civil resistance.

An example is Mahatma Gandhi's civil resistance as an anti-colonialist tool. Gandhi stated "Civil disobedience is the inherent right of a citizen to be civil, implies discipline, thought, care, attention and sacrifice".

rev⋅o⋅lu⋅tion
–noun
an overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed with violence.

michelle 提到...

To Paul,

Is that all you care about? The square?

I will quote Ralph Waldo Emerson agian:
"For what avail the plough or sail,
Or land or life, if freedom fail?"

Paul 提到...

你們不要亂比..

甘地可沒鼓動群眾打人打警察丟石頭丟汽油彈..

你們比較像老毛的紅衛兵..

Paul 提到...

不用quote啦..

被quote的會覺得很衰..

michelle 提到...

To Paul,

My previous question was: Is that all you care about? The square?

I can see that you aways try to avoid the question by nonsense insult, which provides comedic relief anyway.


And I think you are still confused.
This is a peaceful sit-in demonstration; no one uses violence. If you don't care about freedom of speech, there are lots of people who care.

michelle 提到...

To Paul,

Are you afraid of confronting these quotes? Do these quote annoy you?
If so, this is the beginning of your self-awakening.

student 提到...

poor michelle...

poor michelle...

選民 提到...

michelle:



WE LOVE YOU!

Jason 提到...

Go go Michelle... I think that is a very good opinion by you.

Paul 提到...

我是懶得理你..
你去看看我先前貼的集遊法..

Paul 提到...

集遊法--美日德英


那些為M叫好的也去看看..

提到...

http://tw.forum.news.yahoo.com/topic/tbn_1226289220.html?sort=0&pg=1


看看吧

就算你們真的無色無味

也沒人相信了

我不用跟你們筆戰

堅毅,努力,不輕易放棄確實是好表現,

但是請用對地方,

你們這樣是在對暴力行為堅持

像在說;我堅持暴力行為,我不會放棄暴力行為,反我暴力行為者,下台!道歉! 反我暴力者支持之黨派,下台~!
外國人!!!

你們的解釋真的不能說服人阿,

“文青“們

沒錯我們是民主國家,但是民主國家的國民應該都有“民主素養“才對
“民主素養“應該不是死皮賴臉跟暴力吧,你要大家如何相信你們不綠?

同為大學生,我每天為了我的學費苦惱,打工,看著我媽皺眉頭,你們......就像是在我眼裡被家裡寵壞的同學們,只知道說自己要什麼,以為跟人家要什麼,人家就該給你什麼,幼稚!

弄了這麼多事,如果你們真的沒有政黨色彩的話,那根本像是一群溫室草梅想要翻盤,想要讓大家認為自己不是草莓,是一群溫室草莓聚在一起自慰,像小孩子的叛逆跟不成熟,你們為什麼要叫草莓,你們並不代表這世代全部的年輕人,這世代被人認為是草莓已非常不堪,你們這樣是害我們這個世代在眾人人眼中更加的不堪,我真的不希望以後被人家說:你們這些草莓!或是你們這些“野草莓“到時這三個字就像是後來“陳水扁“三個字也是一種不敬的形容詞一樣。
原本只是“草莓“

現在還叫“野“草莓,野字是說我們不但具有草莓特性還具“野“性嗎?

野;野蠻,鼓譟,蠻辯,暴力?

請你們不要以少數的名聲讓社會誤會我們這個世代。

kesheng 提到...

前天行政院長劉兆玄表示:「會集合跨部會的力量把職棒搞好,營造國內優秀的棒球環境。」這與去年行政院長蘇貞昌召集各部會首長,接見中華大聯盟球團負責人請願的喊話是一樣的,政府如何幫助職棒因應當前變局?至今仍然屬於「口惠」階段!

政府輔助台灣棒運的舉措,做得比職棒球團還多,花費也不少,只是政府的支助力量大都放在業餘棒球,職棒球團當然感覺不到,職棒球團一味地指責政府,實在沒道理,現今的新生代球星,有誰沒有打過三級學生棒球聯賽?連王建民都經過聯賽洗禮。

職棒球團的請原訴求,政府沒有動作嗎?翻開行政院的公報,各部會都寫下洋洋灑灑的執行事項或說明置礙難行的理由;一年多來,怎麼職棒球團還在喊「同樣的話」?依舊批評政府做得不夠!

問題出在大家做得不夠多?政府願意增修的法令,例如「體委會研擬振興體育事業發展條例相關租稅獎勵措施」,依然不見辦法出爐;同樣地,職棒球團又做了那裡振興職棒的配合措施?光是一個長遠的經營制度仍是闕如。

球團最在意的防賭,檢調機關若是認真嚴查猛打,球團受得了嗎?政府的力量是被動的,唯有職棒球團主動改革職棒體質,建立經營制度,從制度面找出政府可以出手協助的內容,這樣比較實際,政府、球團併進發展才是職棒之福,而相互指責不是,互推責任。

michelle 提到...

To 文:

You said, “像在說;我堅持暴力行為,我不會放棄暴力行為,反我暴力行為者,下台!道歉! 反我暴力者支持之黨派,下台~!”
You are also confused. Who was violent? Who attacked the students and innocent passengers, who had absolutely no weapons during the visit of the Chinese envoy? How many times do I have to say it: This sit-in demonstration is for Taiwan freedom and anti-political suppression. If you want to pretend that you didn't see the truth, it is your choice.

“同為大學生,我每天為了我的學費苦惱,打工,看著我媽皺眉頭,”

Are you asking for pity with your individual personal story? Geez, you don’t even care when the Taiwan flags were trashed by the police. Please go help your mom now; we and the world of freedom can understand your individual problem. The world is watching this historical moment, and the next generation will thank the students. Freedom means nothing to you. The sit-in students are devoting themselves for Taiwan’s freedom and integrity, putting aside their personal problems.

Again, here are a few questions might clear your head a bit.

1.Who attacked the students, who merely showed patriotism and some passengers during the visit of the Chinese envoy?

2.Why are Taiwanese citizens not allowed to hold Taiwanese flags in Taiwan? Are President Ma and his team ashamed of Taiwanese flags?

3.Why do you keep calling a peaceful sit-in demonstration a violent act?

4.Are you aware that restriction on freedom of speech and assembly is detrimental to democracy?

5.What is more important? President Ma and his team’s political interest or the freedom and patriotism of Taiwanese citizens?



“Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also a prison.” ~Henry David Thoreau

michelle 提到...

To 文,

After scanning through the posts from the link you provided, I realized many folks, including you, have difficulty to speak logically. To clarify those illogical thoughts coming from the confused folks will take pages. If there is any specific point you like to discuss, I will be willing to clarify it here for you.
If you look at the big picture and national integrity, you will understand the importance of freedom of speech, democracy and of this sit-in demonstration.

Im possible magician 提到...

台灣人感謝你們的努力及恆心
學生的力量雖然看似微弱
卻是力量無限
全世界都在看
連美國的各個關心人權團體也透過網路在觀察與關心理
您們的努力其實正是馬英九及國民黨政權所恐懼的
正因為您們無私無求
為真理公義而行動
您們拆穿了國王新衣的謊言
您們讓膺幣的製造者在陽光下無所遁形

您們正在寫歷史
您們為台彎的民主自由延申了更長的壽命

student 提到...

野草莓已垮台

現由一般民眾接手

廣場漸漸出現一般民眾靜坐的畫面

在野草莓運動正式畫下修止符後

一般民眾將代為發聲及靜坐抗議

為此荒謬的運動留下永無止盡的問號~~

Winni 提到...

student真的很莫名奇妙。
那麼冷漠、無情、愛潑冷水…

我想台灣民主開倒車應該不關你的事,
台灣人權被踐踏也不關你的事,
還不如你就閉嘴吧!

那麼會罵不會去寫社論?上電視當名嘴?
來這小小的網站寫這些有的沒的,
感覺沒什麼格局耶!

妍伶 提到...

野草莓學生被國民黨有計畫的在媒體貼上標籤,學校也受到教育部訓委會致函通知回報參與學生,並當問題學生處理.
很多學生都不敢再出面了吧.
馬英九黑金黑道一把捉,得到政權,但野草莓原要藍綠都吃,最後被個個擊破,真悲哀..